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		<title>Text Of The Separation Document Between Thomas Pain [Paine] And His Wife Elizabeth, June 4, 1774 </title>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>This document has been purchased by the Sussex Record Office Articles of Agreement Tripartite Indented had agreed upon the Fourth day of June in the Year of our Lord 1774 Between Thomas Pain of Lewes in the County of Sussex Excise Officer of the first part Elizabeth Pain Wife.</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Transcribed by Paul Myles&nbsp;</p>



<figure class="wp-block-image aligncenter size-full"><img fetchpriority="high" decoding="async" width="981" height="414" src="https://thomaspaine.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/12/elizabeth-paine-thomas-ollive-grave.jpg" alt="Grave of Thomas Ollive and his sister Elizabeth Paine, Thomas Paine’s second wife, who were married in March 1771. Eventually, Paine was forced into bankruptcy in 1774 and Elizabeth and Paine separated in June partly due to Paine’s long absences stemming from his work as an exciseman. Elizabeth died in Cranbrook on 17 July, 1808, and lies buried in the churchyard of St. Dunstan’s – Image from Thomas Paine Society UK Bulletin, 1999. Vol.4. No.2." class="wp-image-9176" srcset="https://thomaspaine.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/12/elizabeth-paine-thomas-ollive-grave.jpg 981w, https://thomaspaine.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/12/elizabeth-paine-thomas-ollive-grave-300x127.jpg 300w, https://thomaspaine.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/12/elizabeth-paine-thomas-ollive-grave-768x324.jpg 768w" sizes="(max-width: 981px) 100vw, 981px" /><figcaption class="wp-element-caption">Grave of Thomas Ollive and his sister Elizabeth Paine, Thomas Paine’s second wife, who were married in March 1771. Eventually, Paine was forced into bankruptcy in 1774 and Elizabeth and Paine separated in June partly due to Paine’s long absences stemming from his work as an exciseman. Elizabeth died in Cranbrook on 17 July, 1808, and lies buried in the churchyard of St. Dunstan’s – Image from Thomas Paine Society UK Bulletin, 1999. Vol.4. No.2.</figcaption></figure>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">This important document has recently been purchased by the Sussex Record Office Articles of Agreement Tripartite Indented had made and agreed upon the Fourth day of June in the Year of our Lord One thousand and Seven Hundred and Seventy four Between Thomas Pain of Lewes in the County of Sussex Fate- inserted above] Excise Officer of the first part Elizabeth Pain Wife of the said Thomas Pain ( late Elizabeth Olive Spinster) of the Second part and the Reverend James Castley of Lewes aforesaid Clerk of the Third part.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Whereas certain unhappy Quarrels and dissensions have arisen (and which do now in part subsist) between the said Thomas Pain and Elizabeth his Wife for putting an End to which They the said Thomas Pain and Elizabeth his Wife bath mutually agreed to live separate and apart and Previous to such Separation he the said Thomas Pain hath consented thereto and also proposed and agreed that the said Elizabeth shall have and take a few fixtures now remaining in their late dwelling House at Lewes and valued by Mr Verret/ at about Twenty five Shillings&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And whereas Samuel Olive late of Lewes aforesaid Grocer deceased Father of the said Elizabeth in and by his last Will and Testament Did give and Devise All that his Messuage or Tenement and Appurtenances wherein he lived Situate in the parish of Saint Michaels in the Town of Lewes aforesaid unto his Wife Hester Olive for and during the Term of her Natural Life and after her Decease he gave and Devised the same unto John Ridge of Kingston in the said County Gentleman and John Attersoll of Lewes aforesaid Carpenter and the Survivor of them and the Heirs and Assigns of the Survivor In Trust to sell the same and out of the Monies arising thereby In Trust to divide the same between his Four Children John Samuel Thomas and Elizabeth ( now the Wife of the said Thomas Pain as aforesaid) in equal shares and in case any or either of them should happen to Die before the Monies Should become Payable then to pay the same in such manner as therein is mentioned As in and by the the said Will and Probate thereof relation being thereunto had more fully will appear&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Now the said Thomas Pain bath also consented and agreed that the said Elizabeth shall have and take her share of the said Monies of the said House when the same shall become due and Payable and will also give any Discharge that shall be then required to and for the Use of the said Elizabeth And the said Elizabeth hath agreed to give up to the said Thomas Pain the sum of I Forty Five Pounds- inserted ] now in hor Possession on or before the [ Sixth- inserted day of [ June &#8211; inserted ]&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And the said James Castley for and on behalf of the said Elizabeth Pain bath agreed to indemnify the said Thomas Pain of and from Payment of all Maintenance Monies to be by her the said Elizabeth Pain demanded or Recovered against him the said Thomas Pain as also of and from all contracts Debts and Engagements whatsoever to be by her the said Elizabeth Pain in any wise contracted and which he the said Thomas Pain shall actually Pay together with Charges touching the same in such manner as hereinafter is mentioned&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Now those Presents Witness that the said Thomas Pain in Pursuance of his aforesaid Proposal and Agreement doth hereby for himself his Executors and Administrators and every of them Covenant Promise and agree to and with the said James Castley his Executors and Administrators and cloth also agree with the said Elizabeth his Wife in manner and form following, that is to say, That it shall and may be lawful to and for the said Elizabeth his Wife and that he the said Thomas Pain shall and will Permit and Suffer her the said Elizabeth from time to time and at all times from henceforth during her Natural Life to live Separate and apart from him and to reside and be in such Place and Places and in such Family and Families and with such relations Friends and other Persons and to follow and carry on such Trade and Business as she the said Elizabeth from time to time at her Will and Pleasure (Notwithstanding her [present- inserted above] Coverture and as if she were a Feme Sole and unmarried) shall think fit and that he the said Thomas Pain shall not nor Will at any time or times hereafter sue her the said Elizabeth in the Ecclesiastical Court or any other Court for her living Separate and apart from him or Compel her to Cohabit with him or to sue Molest disturb or trouble her for such living Separate and apart from him or any other Person or Persons whatsoever for receiving harbouring or entertaining her nor shall or will without the Consent of the said Elizabeth Visit her or knowingly come into any House or Place where she shall or may dwell reside or be nor shall or will at any time hereafter claim or demand the said few fixtures or the said Monies which she shall be entitled to at the time of the Sale of the said House in Lewes aforesaid or any of the Monies Rings Plate Clothes Linen Woolen Household Goods or stock in Trade which the said Elizabeth shall or may at any time hereafter buy or Purchase or which shall be devised or given to her or shall otherwise acquire and that she shall and may enjoy and Absolutely dispose of the same as if she were a Feme sole and Unmarried&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And also that he the said Thomas Pain shall not nor will at any time hereafter Slander or defame his said Wife or detract from her Good Character or do any Injury whatsoever to her or her reputation And also that it shall and may be lawful for the said Elizabeth to have receive and take to her own Separate Use and Benefit her said Share of the Monies for which the said Messuage or Tenement in Lewes shall be Sold when the same shall become due and Payable&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And the said James Castley for himself his Heirs Executors and Administrators and for every of them doth covenant Promise and agree to and with the said Thomas Pain his Executors and Administrators by these Presents That he the said James Castley his Heirs Executors and Administrators shall and will from time to time at all times hereafter well and Sufficiently save defend keep harmless and Indemnified as well the said Thomas Pain his Heirs Executors and Administrators as also his and their Lands Tenements Goods and Chattels of from and against Payment of all manner of Debts whatsoever and of what nature or kindsoever which she the said Elizabeth Pain from henceforth from time to time and at all times hereafter during the said Separation shall Contract or make with any Person or Persons whomsoever and also of and from Payment of all Alimony Maintenance and Support whatsoever which [ she- inserted above] the said Elizabeth Pain at any time hereafter may have claim challenge or Demand from the said Thomas Pain or his Estates Real or Personal during the Continuance of such Separation and likewise of and from all Costs Charges Expenses and Damages whatsoever which he the said Thomas Pain his Heirs Executors and Administrators shall or may at any time hereafter pay Sustain or be put unto by the said Elizabeth Pain Contracting any such Debt or Debts or Demand of any such Alimony Maintenance or Support as aforesaid or for or by reason or in respect of any other Cause matter or thing whatsoever which may be born paid or Sustained by him the said Thomas Pain touching or concerning her the said Elizabeth so living separate and apart from him the said Thomas Pain during the time aforesaid. In Witness whereof the Parties first above named have to these Presents Set their Hands and Seals the Day and Year first above written&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Signed Sealed and Delivered ( being first duly stamped) by the said Thomas Pain and James Castley in the Presence of John Ollive&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">William Wright&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Signed Seated and Delivered ( being first duly stamped) by the said Elizabeth Pain in the presence of John 0llive.</p>
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		<title>Thomas Paine &#8211; A Collection of Unknown Writings</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kenneth W. Burchell, Ph.D., G.G.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 06:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>By Kenneth. W. Burchell &#8220;This is no more than a say so of Jonathan Steadfast, who says it because it suits him to say it.&#8221; An Enemy to Monopolies and Inconsistencies [Thomas Paine], &#8220;Jonathan Steadfast and his Book&#8221; in the Mercury [Elisha Babcock], 27 September 1804.&#160; &#8220;As censure is but awkwardly softened by apology, I [&#8230;]</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">By Kenneth. W. Burchell</p>



<figure class="wp-block-image aligncenter size-full"><img decoding="async" width="272" height="504" src="https://thomaspaine.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/12/image1.jpg" alt="A sketch of a young Thomas Paine by Moncure Daniel Conway from &quot;The Life of Thomas Paine&quot; (New York, G. P. Putnam’s Sons, 1892), Chapter 2 Frontispiece - Courtesy of the Truth Seeker" class="wp-image-11048" srcset="https://thomaspaine.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/12/image1.jpg 272w, https://thomaspaine.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/12/image1-162x300.jpg 162w" sizes="(max-width: 272px) 100vw, 272px" /><figcaption class="wp-element-caption">A sketch of a young Thomas Paine by Moncure Daniel Conway from &#8220;The Life of Thomas Paine&#8221; (New York, G. P. Putnam’s Sons, 1892), Chapter 2 Frontispiece &#8211; Courtesy of the Truth Seeker</figcaption></figure>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;This is no more than a say so of Jonathan Steadfast, who says it because it suits him to say it.&#8221; An Enemy to Monopolies and Inconsistencies [Thomas Paine], &#8220;Jonathan Steadfast and his Book&#8221; in the Mercury [Elisha Babcock], 27 September 1804.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;As censure is but awkwardly softened by apology, I shall offer you no apology for this letter.&#8221; Thomas Paine, Letter to George Washington, 30 July 1796.&nbsp;</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The appearance of a recently published collection of unknown writings by Thomas Paine could not be but of some interest and excitement — certainly on my part and presumably that of other Paine scholars and enthusiasts. When asked by the journal, your reviewer envisioned a brief, and piquant review, perhaps a few paragraphs. No big deal. As it turned out, however, that was not to be. Hazel Burgess&#8217; collection took a great deal of effort to sort out and, to my regret, requires some censure and reproach. This collection fails to live up to its claims and will be, I predict, largely dismissed by careful and knowledgeable Paine historians. Fairness to my fellow Paine readers and colleagues and, indeed, to Hazel Burgess, necessitates at least a reasonable explanation. And that, dear reader, is the manner in which this review grew from three paragraphs into the form presented to you here.<sup>1</sup></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Before any words of censure, however, it is important to write something positive. By way of disclosure, the author of this review has known and maintained a cordial acquaintanceship of some years with the editor of this collection, Hazel Burgess. While we have not always agreed, to date we&#8217;ve maintained a friendly and collegial relationship. Certainly her DNA research on the purported Paine skull discussed later in this review was and continues to be of great interest to all Paine historians. Second, she gets some things right in this collection. In her editorial notes, Burgess understands that George Chalmers aka Francis Oldys was a paid slanderer and that James Cheetham&#8217;s biography of Thomas Paine was a hatchet job. Her work also corrects a minor dating error in Philip Foner&#8217;s 1945 The Complete Writings of Thomas Paine. And the collection actually contains some newly published Paine material of genuine scholarly and historical interest. There are, however, two problems. First, a great part of the collection is either already in print, easily obtained. And more problematically, the very small quantity of new Paine material is sandwiched in between a much greater quantity of work that is not of Paine&#8217;s authorship.<sup>2</sup>&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Certainly where absolute proof is not available, questions of historical accuracy necessarily reduce to matters of opinion. Readers of this review will not be left in doubt as to mine. The work reviewed here, however, generally presents itself as unqualified fact and lacks, in my view, the kind of scholarly circumspection found in more valuable and lasting historical studies. The cover, for example; claims that the works in this compendium have &#8220;not been seen, either publicly or privately, in over 200 years.&#8221; Burgess&#8217; editorial notes go on about her &#8220;path to significant discoveries,&#8221; the &#8220;sweet satisfaction&#8221; of seeing &#8220;what nobody else has seen in over 200 years,&#8221; and her &#8220;discovery&#8221; that the extant Paine canon is incomplete. All very moving if the claims hold up. But what if they don&#8217;t?<sup>3</sup>&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The first three items in Burgess&#8217; collection, for example, were all in print at the time she compiled her collection. She writes that the New York Historical Society had already published them at the turn of the last century and claims to be doing a service by reprinting them in this collection for the first time in over a hundred years. She does not write, however, that the 1898 collection is available — by my count — in at least 154 libraries in America and the UK. It is also available in a good quality hardcopy edition that has been in print since 2007. The same work is available, moreover, in a free digitized and fully searchable edition on Google Books. Burgess makes no mention of the contemporary editions — hardcopy or digital — so she was either unaware or omitted to mention them. From the outset, then, Burgess&#8217; bibliographical claims relative to these works appear thin at best and, as we shall see, there are other problems with this &#8220;revelatory collection.&#8221;<sup>4</sup></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Throughout her editorial comments, Burgess evinces a certain vindictive or condemnatory prejudice against Paine&#8217;s character that may cause puzzlement on the part of discerning readers. She acknowledges some of his accomplishments, but misses no chance to belittle his character. Why, for example, does Burgess indulge in the sniping comment at p. 30 that there was &#8220;little in the treasury but sufficient for Paine to draw immediately on his salary,&#8221; as if Paine&#8217;s payment were not authorized by vote of the Pennsylvania Assembly?&#8221;<sup>5</sup>&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In a later chapter, she calls Paine a &#8220;turncoat who was definite in his opinion this way or that.&#8221;<sup>6</sup> Or there is her stunning allegation, as we will see later, that Paine was no abolitionist or enemy of slavery, but himself a slave-holder. Readers unfamiliar with Burgess&#8217; background will be at a loss to understand her rancour, but a brief look at the editor&#8217;s own history may help to clarify her agenda.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">John Burgess, the husband of the collection&#8217;s editor, is one of a great number of persons who have laboured under the illusion &#8212; occasionally the delusion, no doubt — that they are direct descendants of Thomas Paine. The difficulty with that proposition is, of course, that Paine had no offspring. While many base their claim on a common historical confusion between our revolutionary pamphleteer Thomas Paine and another man of the same name. John Burgess&#8217; claim is of another sort.<sup>7</sup> He claims to descend through a bastard offspring of Paine by the wife of one of Paine&#8217;s closest friends, the French publisher and editor Nicolas de Bonneville. The rumour began historically with the slanderous attack-biography written by James Cheetham, published the year after Paine&#8217;s 1809 death. Cheetham waited until Paine&#8217;s decease because he knew very well that Paine would sue him &#8212; Paine had threatened it. As events transpired, Cheetham was sued anyway. Madame Bonneville successfully sued Cheetham in a Federalist court so hostile to Paine that the judge defamed him from the bench. The allegation of bastardy was so utterly unfounded and baseless that Madame Bonneville was nevertheless awarded damages. The salient point here is that in order to fit the model of her husband as a &#8220;descendant&#8221; of Paine, Paine needs to be something of a scoundrel or at least a rascal.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">This whole story took a macabre and startling turn when a skull appeared in a 1988 Sydney, Australia antiques auction; a skull reputed to be the noggin of Thomas Paine.&#8217;s The Burgesses hastened to Sidney and managed to purchase the relic from the sympathetic dealer, impressed with Mr. Burgess&#8217; claims of consanguinity. This moment might be said to mark the beginning of Mrs. Burgess&#8217; career as a Paine enthusiast, albeit a somewhat hostile one. She set out to prove her husband&#8217;s relationship by comparison of his mitochondrial DNA to that of the skull. Surprise &#8211; &#8211; there proved to be no demonstrable relationship, but Burgess&#8217; career as a Paine-sceptic was launched, of which the collection here is the latest and most visible so far.<sup>8</sup>&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Perhaps it is that same enthusiasm to believe the worst that led her to the greatest blunders in this very flawed work of bibliography. The single longest work in the collection — 75 pages of about 200 pages total — is an unsigned 1791 pamphlet entitled Reflections on the Present State of the British Nation by British Common Sense.<sup>10</sup> Burgess&#8217; claim that this work should be accepted into what she calls the &#8220;Paine canon&#8221; will be rejected by historians and thoughtful readers for at three obvious reasons_ First, the author of this work favoured titled distinctions and wrote that when the present financial crisis ended, then &#8220;may we, with safety, return to ceremony, and the etiquette of distinction, rank, and title.&#8221;<sup>11</sup> The writings of Thomas Paine both before and after this work flatly condemned titles and inherited distinctions and there exists no writing of Paine&#8217;s that condones aristocracy. Second, the writer claimed to be a British citizen and spoke of &#8220;our own market, or home consumption,&#8221; whereas Paine spoke as an American or &#8220;citizen of the world,&#8221; neither as a British subject in the works before and after the date of the work in question nor in any work subsequent to the American Revolution.<sup>12</sup> This Paine candidate also made prominent and repetitious use of the phrase &#8220;Godlike Reason,&#8221; a combination of words that appears nowhere else in Paine&#8217;s printed works. Nor does the adjective &#8220;godlike&#8221; itself appear in any other Paine work. And yet the faux-Paine used it four times on a single page, the repetition itself uncharacteristic of Paine&#8217;s simple, declarative style. In fact, Paine rarely if ever used any adjective with the word &#8220;reason.&#8221;<sup>13</sup> Burgess&#8217; candidate is, moreover, prolix in the extreme &#8212; single sentences run over a hundred words.<sup>14</sup> Paine was a master of the simple declarative sentence and a short, sparkling, aphoristic style of Plain English. And again, can anyone but Mrs. Burgess believe that the Thomas Paine who wrote this:</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Let them call me rebel and welcome, I feel no concern from it; but I should suffer the misery of devils, were I to make a whore of my soul by swearing allegiance to one whose character is that of a sottish, stupid, stubborn, worthless, brutish man?<sup>15</sup>&nbsp;</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And who himself bore arms against the King of England later regretted his action and opined that &#8220;reason abhors dissention?&#8221;<sup>16</sup> Reason is the fountainhead of dissent. Was Paine, as Burgess&#8217; writer further claimed, &#8220;but little known?&#8221;<sup>17</sup> Not at all: Paine was already heralded in his own name on two continents, received, corresponded or boarded with the likes of Edmund Burke, Charles James Fox, Thomas Walker, the painter John Trumbull (with whom he lived for a good part of the time) and William Cavendish- Bentinck, 3rd Duke of Portland (Prime Minister in 1783, Home Secretary in 1794, Lord President of the Council later again in 1801 to 1805, and Prime Minister again in 1807 to 1809). Historian David Freeman Hawke noted that Paine&#8217;s friend and United States Secretary of State Thomas Jefferson thought him known and respected enough to serve as de facto American representative to the British government for two years after the recall of John Adams.<sup>18</sup> Paine &#8220;but little known?&#8221; This might perhaps describe him in another dimension of time or on another planet, but not the one in which Paine lived and worked. Burgess claims all this and more with the single longest &#8220;discovery&#8221; in her rewrite of the Paine canon.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">For all of the above she offers — as near as can be discerned — the slim justification that Paine &#8220;proved to be a turncoat, definite in his opinions this way or that,&#8221;<sup>19</sup> was proud of his pseudonym &#8220;Common Sense&#8221;<sup>20</sup> and that it was &#8220;the name no other would dare assume.&#8221;<sup>21</sup> The first claim is indefensible unless we accept her claim that the work is authentic. Isn&#8217;t this post hoc ergo proctor hoc? The second claim, on the other hand, is as indisputable as it is trivial. And the latter claim — central to her argument — is nonsense. Burgess again offers no proof but her mere &#8220;say so.&#8221; The fact is that other individuals, both in America and England, used the pen name &#8220;Common Sense&#8221; during Paine&#8217;s lifetime. Though scarce in America, the determined researcher will find a few and there are a great many non-Paine appearances of the pseudonym in the periodicals of late eighteenth-century England.<sup>22</sup>&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Before closing this unfortunate review, a final word is necessary with respect to Burgess&#8217; claims regarding Thomas Paine and slavery. She believes that Paine owned slaves. Burgess made the claim to this writer back in 2005 sotto voce, in high dudgeon as it were, and when asked for proof, declined and cited a forthcoming book that would &#8220;reveal all&#8221; to a horrifically shocked scholarly community. Behold the book! Wherein Paine is unmasked as an owner -of man-flesh. Well ..: not exactly. With regard a black man named Joe, a hired man of Paine&#8217;s, Burgess claims that &#8220;it is highly likely that Joe had been, in earlier years, Paine&#8217;s slave.&#8221;<sup>23</sup> Her claim would be a matter of some consequence if she bothered to substantiate it, but consistent with the great part of this work, she omitted to do so. Burgess merely cites the letter of Paine to Kitty Nicholson Few where he inquired after &#8220;my favourite Sally Morse, my boy Joe, and my horse Button&#8221;<sup>24</sup> and a reasonably well-known text on the Quakers and slavery in early Pennsylvania and observes that &#8220;it would have been unusual for a Philadelphian in his situation, and of his standing, not to have owned some.&#8221;<sup>25</sup> Burgess then goes through a long speculative ramble based on another letter to an unknown addressee that amounts to zero corroboration for her stunning claim. This is not history. This claim amounts to unsubstantiated calumny or an individual for whom there is adequate evidence to show his detestation of slavery.<sup>26</sup> Scholars and simply careful readers will again find nothing here to support her accusation?<sup>27</sup></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In the main body of this collection, there are approximately 139-140 pages of purported Paine text and just over sixty of editorial commentary for a total of 203 pages. By my count, 55% are either highly doubtful or demonstrably spurious and at least another 12% are already in print in more or less contemporary printings such as Foner, Gimbel, the Morris Papers and Kessinger reprints.<sup>28</sup> Burgess claims variously the utility of combining the texts in one place or their benefit for context, but what can be the utility of combining them with an even greater load of spurious texts and inflated, indefensible claims? Ironically, one of the most memorable quotes found in one of the few authentic and authentically new works presented in this collection is one wherein Paine ridicules &#8220;Jonathan Steadfast&#8221; for relying just on his own &#8220;say so.&#8221;<sup>29</sup> Admittedly, a great deal of historical controversy — as noted earlier — comes down to a &#8220;say so.&#8221; And like Johathan Steadfast, Burgess frequently says so with little more substantiation than that it suits her to say so.</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading has-large-font-size">Endnotes</h2>



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<li>From the short bio of the editor provided in the collection: &#8220;Hazel Burgess is an Australian researcher with undergraduate and doctoral degrees from the University of Sydney. She has spent many years searching for the truth behind the public face of Thomas Paine.&#8221; The first sentence is interesting for an omission and the second for its claim. Burgess&#8217; degree is in Religious Studies, not history. And her &#8220;years searching for the truth behind the public face of Thomas Paine&#8221; is precisely the preconceived mindset that colours her work and rather spoils her scholarship, as evidenced by examples presented in this review. </li>



<li>For significant new printings of Paine&#8217;s work, see especially Burgess 191 and 199-202. The single page Connecticut piece on p. 191, while interesting and newly printed, is sandwiched between four letters already reprinted in Gimbel and a work at Burgess 192-8 that was simply not written by Paine. The ratio of meat to bun here is characteristic of the entire collection. </li>



<li>An academic advisor strictly enjoined me in the springtime of my scholarly career that the more elevated the claim, the easier the target and farther the fall. </li>



<li>See Silas Deane, The Deane Papers, 1774-1799, Whitefish, MT: Kessinger Publishing, 2007, ISBN054830744X, 9780548307441. See also https://books.google.com/books?id=fpQ6AAAAMAAJ&amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;dq =editions:STANFORD361050265466191tv=onepage&amp;q=&amp;f=false accessed 11 March 2010 or simply search &#8220;Silas Deane Papers&#8221; on Google Book. </li>



<li>See Burgess, 31-2. As it happens, the purported Paine letter that accompanies her comment is signed &#8220;C.S.,&#8221; and, while it is written well enough to be Paine, there is nothing either in the text itself or, for that matter, Burgess&#8217; body of scholarship that should have led her publishers or the reader to accept her &#8220;say so&#8221; that it was written by Paine. It&#8217;s interesting to note that the author who signed himself &#8220;C.S.&#8221; used the word &#8220;forsooth.&#8221; Time constraints prevented a search of every extant Paine letter, but the term appears In none of Paine&#8217;s major works; not once. Even if we ever find that Paine used the word &#8220;forsooth, it seems to me that careful scholarship requires that the letter remain in the category of a &#8220;possible&#8221; Paine work. See Burgess, 35. </li>



<li>Burgess, 146. </li>



<li>Back in the 1990&#8217;s, when the author of this review fielded Internet inquiries for the Thomas Paine National Historical Association — an organization since disgraced and fallen upon hard times — it seemed like we received an inquiry a week from people honestly convinced they were all &#8220;direct descendants&#8221; of Thomas Paine. </li>



<li>See Hazel Burgess, &#8220;An Extended History of the Remains of Thomas Paine,&#8221; Journal of Radical History, 8:4 (2007), pp. 1-29. </li>



<li>Burgess&#8217; dissertation- for a doctorate in Religious Studies is interesting in this regard, but it is unfortunately sequestered or withheld from public view by the University of Sidney at the request of the student. A letter from Burgess&#8217; dissertation supervisor noted, &#8220;Students &#8230; may request that they not be made public. Few do &#8230;&#8221; Few, indeed. I don&#8217;t know of another such instance. The practice flies — insofar as I understand it — in the face of both academic tradition and open scholarly inquiry. See Hazel Burgess, &#8220;The disownment and reclamation of Thomas Paine: a reappraisal of the &#8220;philosophy&#8221; of &#8220;common sense&#8221; (Ph.D thesis, University of Sidney, 2003). The library listing is available at https://opacJibrary.usyd.edu.au/record=b2654935-S4. </li>



<li>See Burgess, 71-146. See also, (anonymous), Reflections on the Present State of the British Nation by British Common Sense (London: James Ridgway, 1791). A second edition was entitled British Common Sense; or, Reflections on the Present State of the British Nation, Recommending a Free, Uninfluenced Representation of the People, on the Grounds of National Utility and National Necessity (London: W. Miller, 1791). </li>



<li>See Burgess, 119. </li>



<li>Ibid., 77 and 82. </li>



<li>Ibid., 79-80. The anonymous author of this work similarly repeats the phrase &#8220;wantonly wicked&#8221; at pp. 92-3. Another phrase that appears nowhere in any of Paine&#8217;s other best-known works. </li>



<li>Burgess, 77-8. </li>



<li>See Thomas Paine, The American Crisis I in Philip Foner, The Complete Writings of Thomas Paine (New York: Citadel Press, 1945), 1:56. </li>



<li>Burgess, 75. </li>



<li>Ibid. </li>



<li>David Freeman Hawke, Paine (New York: Harper &amp; Rowe), 188. </li>



<li>Burgess, 146. </li>



<li>Burgess, 72. </li>



<li>Burgess, 149.</li>



<li>See The Port &#8211; Folio (1801-1827) 1:15 (April 11, 1801), 113. Burgess offers this item as part of her collection, but it is not Paine simply because its attitude towards Britain is antithetical to Paine&#8217;s, its negative attitude toward the Declaration of Independence, and perhaps even transatlantic transit problems. It would not be surprising if Burgess were the only person in the world to believe that Paine authored it, but then &#8230; she appears to have an agenda See Burgess, 174. For other examples of non- Paine uses of the pseudonym, see also Philadelphia Repository and Weekly Register (1800-1805) 3:8 (February 19, 1803), 63; Morning Post and Daily Advertiser (London, England), Tuesday, December 3, 1776, Issue 1282; Public Advertiser (London, England), Friday, December 22, 1775, Issue 14422; Sun (London, England), Saturday, April 20, 1793, Issue 174; Morning Chronicle (London, England), Tuesday, September 10, 1793, Issue 7572; True Briton (1793) (London, England), Thursday, May 2, 1793, Issue 105. There are many more especially in English periodicals of the period. </li>



<li>See Burgess, 61. </li>



<li>See Foner, 2:1275. </li>



<li>Note that this is the same Thomas Paine of whom she wants the reader to believe earlier &#8211; and at a time of even greater fame for Paine &#8211; that he wrote as one &#8220;but little known.&#8221; See above note 17. See also Burgess, 218, n.195 where she cites the &#8220;brief, general account of slaveholding in Pennsylvania at the time,&#8221; Jean R. Soderlund, Quakers and Slavery (Princeton, NJ: Princeton University Press, 1985). </li>



<li>See my forthcoming &#8220;The Infernal Traffic in Negroes&#8217; &#8212; Thomas Paine and Antislavery,&#8221; part of a collection in review for 2011. </li>



<li>See Burgess, 61-4. </li>



<li>See Philip Foner, The Complete Writings of Thomas Paine (New York: Citadel Press, 1945); Richard Gimbel, &#8220;New Political Writings by Thomas Paine&#8221; in The Yale University Library Gazette 30 (1956); Robert Morris, The Papers of Robert Morris, ed. Elizabeth Nuxoll and Mary Gallagher (Pittsburgh: Pittsburgh University Press, 1975); and for the Kessinger edition of Deane, see note 4. </li>



<li>See the quotation at the head of this review. </li>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>By Terry Liddle Two Cocks On The Dunghill, William Cobbett and Henry Hunt: Their Friendship, feuds and fights. Penny Young. Twopenny Press, South Lopham, Norfolk, 2009. 384pp Paperback, ISBN 978-0-9561703-0-9. £17.95&#160; There have been numerous biographies of William Cobbett, but only one of Henry Hunt although Hunt was no less an important and prominent figure [&#8230;]</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">By Terry Liddle</p>



<figure class="wp-block-image aligncenter size-full"><img decoding="async" width="773" height="407" src="https://thomaspaine.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/12/William_Cobbett.jpg" alt="William Cobbett, portrait in oils possibly by George Cooke from 1831 - National Portrait Gallery (London)" class="wp-image-11168" srcset="https://thomaspaine.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/12/William_Cobbett.jpg 773w, https://thomaspaine.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/12/William_Cobbett-300x158.jpg 300w, https://thomaspaine.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/12/William_Cobbett-768x404.jpg 768w" sizes="(max-width: 773px) 100vw, 773px" /><figcaption class="wp-element-caption">William Cobbett, portrait in oils possibly by George Cooke from 1831 &#8211; National Portrait Gallery (London)</figcaption></figure>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Two Cocks On The Dunghill, William Cobbett and Henry Hunt: Their Friendship, feuds and fights. Penny Young. Twopenny Press, South Lopham, Norfolk, 2009. 384pp Paperback, ISBN 978-0-9561703-0-9. £17.95&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">There have been numerous biographies of William Cobbett, but only one of Henry Hunt although Hunt was no less an important and prominent figure in early 19th century Radicalism. And this is out of print. This is not an attempt to write another biography of Cobbett or Hunt. Rather it is an explanation of their often troubled relationship.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Cobbett was in essence a self-educated ploughboy. Hunt came from the landed gentry, his family owned or rented 3,000 acres. A spell of six weeks imprisonment in 1800 following a dispute over the killing of pheasants brought Hunt into contact with the radical lawyer Henry Clifford. He came out of prison a convinced radical.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">There was continual trouble between Cobbett and Hunt, the cause of much being Cobbett&#8217;s wife Nancy. Hunt having married Ann Halcomb, the daughter of a publican in Devizes, had become enamoured of Catherine Vince and eloped with her, while Cobbett was usually highly conventional in such matters. Out of character he made excuses for Hunt. Nancy on the other hand greatly disliked this female aristocrat and referred to her as &#8220;the whore on horseback&#8221;. The differing personalities of the two women reflected their class origins. When Cobbett first met his wife she was scrubbing out a wash tub, whereas Mrs Vince would have had servants to do her laundry. Nancy was a good cook and could make delicious home-brewed beer. Cobbett urged the English people to abandon drinking stewed tea and return to making home made ale. Mrs Vince would have drunk wine.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">When Hunt and Cobbett first met they didn&#8217;t hit it off, but as Hunt contributed to Cobbett&#8217;s Political Register they grew closer. Hunt developed into a formidable political speaker being dubbed Orator Hunt, a phrase originating with the radical poet turned Tory Robert Southey.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In 1816 Hunt was invited by the Spenceans (followers of Thomas Spence who advocated public ownership of land) to speak at a meeting at Spa Bath Fields (today&#8217;s Mount Pleasant sorting office) What Hunt wasn&#8217;t told was that the aim of the meeting was to spark off a revolution. Hunt spoke from the window of the Merlin&#8217;s Cave pub, but despite his efforts to convince the crowd that violence was futile, that evening doting broke out. A second meeting led to the looting of gun shops which the Tory press blamed Hunt and Cobbett. A third meeting passed off without incident.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">However, the government continued with its programme of repression. Hunt spoke in Bristol. &#8221; We want no tumults, no riots, we want only our rights&#8221;, he proclaimed. Fearing imprisonment, he had already served two years in Newgate, Cobbett decided his best course of action was to leave for America. In March 1817 he set sail for New York. Hunt was furious that Cobbett had not told him he was going. Other radicals moved to fill the space vacated by him. In his Black Dwarf, Thomas Wooler mercilessly criticised Cobbett, whereas Hunt still chose to defend him.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Cobbett urged Hunt to come to America. One attraction, he wrote, was the land had no Wilberforces. Both regarded Wilberforce as leader of the &#8220;canting saints&#8221;, while Wilberforce saw Hunt as &#8220;the tool of worse and deeper villains&#8221; and Cobbett as &#8220;the most pernicious of all.&#8221;&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In 1818 there was to be a General Election. Hunt decided to contest the Westminster Seat. At a meeting in Covent Garden his political opponent Thomas Cleary read a letter from Cobbett written ten years earlier which described Hunt as riding round the country with a whore and urged people to have nothing to do with him. Hunt wrote to Cobbett urging him to come home and to deny having written the letter. In the event Hunt came bottom of the poll with just 48 votes.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In August 1819 at least 60,000 people gathered in St Peter&#8217;s Square, Manchester to be addressed by Hunt. Hardly had he started to speak when the Salford and Manchester yeomanry charged the crowd with sabres drawn. At least eighteen people died and over six hundred were injured. Hunt escaped with a cut hand. He was arrested and charged with treason, later changed to seditious conspiracy. In the Political Register, Cobbett began to distance himself from Hunt.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Relations between the two men (Cobbett was now back in England having brought with him the remains of Thomas Paine, these were lost after his death) continued to cool as Hunt was brought to trial. On May 15 he was sentenced to two and half years in Leicester Prison, which was one of the worst in England and it was clear the government&#8217;s aim was to kill him or so ruin him in body and spirit he mould no longer be a threat. Beyond o recording Hunt&#8217;s name in the list of the imprisoned Cobbett said nothing about this. In his Memoirs, Hunt expressed bitterness and resentment about Cobbett&#8217;s flight to America, about how he had neglected and deserted him since his return, about the role played by Mrs Cobbett, blaming her for the collapse of their friendship.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">From inside the grim walls of lichester, Hunt conducted a campaign against the terrible conditions and the mistreatment of prisoners including the sexual abuse of female prisoners. Beyond advertising Hunt&#8217;s A Peep Into Ilohester Goal, Cobbett did nothing to help. Instead he set out on the series of journeys which became known as his Rural Rides. Hunt was released on October 30, 1822, to widespread demonstrations, but Cobbett said not a word about this in the Political Register. Hunt resumed his life with Mrs Vince and set up a business making substitute coffee from roasted rye.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Towards the end of January, 1823, Hunt appeared again briefly in the Political Register, however, as Ms Young puts it, Cobbett wanted to be &#8220;top cock on the dunghill&#8221;. This soured his relationships with other radicals referring to them mostly to criticise and undermine them, an exception being Richard Carlile from whose imprisonment Cobbett made political capital. In the Political Register for November 15, 1823 he referred to Peterloo but did not mention Hunt.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Hunt had taken up the issue of Catholic emancipation knowing that the English government would bribe the Catholic clergy to stop them objecting to the loss of people&#8217;s voting rights (the government proposed to raise the property qualification) In the Political Register for April, 1825 Cobbett devoted pages to supporting Hunt&#8217;s actions.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In 1826 Cobbett decided to stand for parliament and organised a meeting to raise funds at The Freemason&#8217;s Tavern in Great Queen Street. Crowded to overcapacity, the meeting ended up being held in Lincoln&#8217;s Inn Fields. Hunt was there and the crowd demanded he speak. Cobbett was livid and got his own back in court two weeks later. The jury found Cobbett not guilty of libel and Hunt was ordered to pay £25 costs.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">However, following Cobbett&#8217;s defeat at an election in Preston the two men again edged towards reconciliation. Both were to meet at a meeting in Covent Garden. Nancy threatened to commit suicide if Cobbett went, but he ignored her threat and when she learned hr had attended she cut her throat with a knife. Although serious the wound was not fatal.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">A political dinner at the Crown and Anchor tavern in the Strand ended in a fist fight but brought Cobbett and Hunt closer together. For the next eighteen months the men were good friends. They set up an organization, the Radical Reform Society to agitate for annual parliaments, universal suffrage and vote by ballot. While Cobbett was willing to compromise and if needs be dilute, Hunt stuck firmly to his principles. Cobbett also objected to Republican speakers like Hunt&#8217;s friend John Gale Jones being invited to address meetings. Once more relations between the two men soured. The situation turned bizarre when Nancy Cobbett thought that Cobbett&#8217;s secretary had rid himself of his drunken and adulterous wife so he could have a gay affair with Cobbett, an extreme homophobe. The accusation indicates Nancy&#8217;s state of mind.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Both men would achieve their ambition of being elected to parliament, although Cobbett lost his seat for opposing the Reform Bill of 1832 which he thought didn&#8217;t go far enough. Having suffered two strokes, Hunt still toured the north including Manchester early in 1834. He died on February 13, 1835. Cobbett some weeks later in June. Had the two been able to overcome their differences, had Hunt led a more regular life and Cobbett been able to address what were undoubtedly his wife&#8217;s mental health problems, the course of radical history in the first part of the nineteenth century may have been somewhat different.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Two Cocks On The Dunghill is illustrated with some very interesting contemporary cartoons and two colour plates. But it suffers from a multitude of typographical errors, proof, if it was needed, that manuscripts should be thoroughly proof read before going to the printers. Nevertheless, it remains a valuable contribution to early nineteenth century political history.&nbsp;</p>
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		<title>Radical Peckham: The Story Of Timothy Brown</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 06:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">By Derek Kinrade</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">We owe a debt of gratitude to Bill Ure, who revealed through his newsletter (No.101, Autumn, 2005) that William Cobbett, the famous polemicist, resided in the winter of 1815-16 at Peckham Lodge, near Rye Lane, as a guest of banker Timothy Brown. As far as I can tell, this episode had previously been noticed only by lain McCalman in 1988,<sup>1</sup> and was not mentioned in the monumental biography of Cobbett by George Spater in 1984.<sup>2</sup>&nbsp;</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading has-large-font-size">Peckham Lodge, Rye Lane</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Peckham Lodge does not appear on any of the early maps of Peckham, but Heaton&#8217;s Folly, which lay within its grounds, is marked by a dot on an 1810 map of Camberwell parish on the right hand side of a pathway leading from Peckham to Nunhead, approximately where the grounds of St Mary&#8217;s College were later situated, now occupied by Morrison&#8217;s car park. The original Lodge was leased from the de Crespignys who had inherited this and other properties from Isaac Heaton, its builder, in 1808. It was left in turn to Brown.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Bill Ure, who is a relative of Cobbett, has told part of the story, but there is more:&nbsp;</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading has-large-font-size">William Cobbett, a close friend</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Cobbett, of course, is famous, particularly for his weekly Political Register, which so got under the skin of the establishment of the Establishment. One of his biographers, Daniel Green, has described him as &#8220;one who was hostile to the government and who had dedicated himself to the exposure of corruption and the destruction of the system&#8221;.<sup>3</sup> Certainly he was perceived as dangerous, particularly in the context of a bitter war against France. Those in authority dearly wished to silence him and saw their opportunity when Cobbett used the Register to comment on what came to be known as the Ely Mutiny. A number of soldiers stationed at Ely unwisely refused to obey orders in response to some fairly minor grievances. Cavalry from the German Legion was called in, a summary court martial held and the reputed ringleaders sentenced to 500 lashes each. It should be understood that the lash, and the fear it was thought to induce, was then seen as the primary means ol maintaining discipline in the miserable ranks of the armed forces. But to Cobbett it was abhorrent, and he railed against both it and the Hanoverian involvement at Ely. It led him to express the hope that those who criticised Napoleon&#8217;s harsh discipline might in future be more cautious when they saw our own &#8220;gallant defenders not only required physical restraint, in certain cases, but even a little blood drawn from their backs, and that, too, with the aid of German troops&#8221;.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Nowadays, any such level of comment in the media would hardly raise an eyebrow. But in 1809 it was enough for a charge to be filed against Cobbett for sedition, followed by a trial in 1810 when every possible infringement against the interests of the nation were successfully held against him. He was sentenced to two years imprisonment and a fine of £1,000. In addition, he was required to- find two sureties to assure his keeping the peace for seven years after his release, He was committed to Newgate Prison, though this was not quite the calamity it may appear since, as Green puts it, &#8220;in those days influence and money could procure almost anything except freedom&#8221;. Not only was Cobbett able to live in some style, visited by Timothy Brown and other admirers from all over Britain,<sup>4</sup> but continued to keep the Register going, every article carrying, beneath his signature, the address, &#8216;State Prison Newgate&#8217; to rub in his sense of injustice.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">When he was released on 9 July 1812, Cobbett was entertained to dinner by Sir Francis Burdett, joined, it is said, by 600 guests, and hailed as a public hero. As Bill Ure has noticed, Timothy Brown became and remained one of Cobbett&#8217;s closest friends. He was one of the sureties for his &#8216;good behaviour&#8217; and stood to forfeit £5,000 should the released prisoner overstep the mark, a very real risk given Cobbett&#8217;s predilection for plain-speaking. One possible reason for Cobbett&#8217;s stay at Peckham may simply have been Brown&#8217;s generosity. Newgate left Cobbett firmly in the camp of the radicals with a thirst for reform but, as Green shows, his imprisonment had also drained his resources, sales of the Register had declined and he had been for some time reliant on gifts and loans from well-wishers. By 1815 his financial position was precarious. He needed a rich, like-minded friend and a London base, and it appears likely that Timothy Brown came to his rescue.&nbsp;</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading has-large-font-size">&#8216;Equality Brown&#8217;, his partnership with Samuel Whitbread II</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Brown&#8217;s hospitality was entirely in keeping with his reputation. Blanche tells us that he was known as &#8216;Equality Brown&#8217; and described himself as the &#8220;well-known local democrat&#8221;.<sup>5</sup> It is interesting that by 1875 he should be so described, when in his day he might have been thought dangerously radical rather than democratic. Apart from his banking interests, from 1799 to 1810 he was a partner with Samuel Whitbread in the famous brewing company. This was Samuel Whitbread, the son of the founder,<sup>6</sup> and the partnership agreement between Brown and others contained a most unusual clause which freed Whitbread from attending personally to any business. This allowed him to follow his political aspirations. He had been elected MP for Bedford in 1791, a position he held for the rest of his life, in which he gained recognition as a champion of religious and civil rights and was notably prominent in seeking to improve provision for poor people, the abolition of slavery and attempts to introduce a national education system.<sup>7</sup> Controversially, he also urged negotiations with France, admiring Napoleon Bonaparte and hoping that his reforms might be introduced in Britain. It would be tempting to suppose that beyond his financial interests, Brown found a synergy with Whitbread&#8217;s reformist views. In reality the reverse appears to have been the case as reforms might be introduced in Britain. It would be tempting to suppose that beyond his financial interests, Brown found a synergy with Whitbread&#8217;s reformist views. In reality the reverse appears to have been the case. Roger Fulford, Whitbread&#8217;s biographer, says that Brown was &#8220;noisy, opinionated and reforms might be introduced in Britain. It would be tempting to suppose that beyond his financial interests, Brown found a synergy with Whitbread&#8217;s reformist views. In reality the reverse appears to have been the case. Roger Fulford, Whitbread&#8217;s biographer, says that Brown was &#8220;noisy, opinionated and quarrelsome: he was rich and radical, and revealed to the world a combination which is happily rare &#8211; a banker with dangerous views&#8221;.<sup>8</sup> In particular, Brown was &#8220;a fervent supporter of Burdett (Sir Francis Burdett), a stance not without embarrassment to Whitbread. In 1810 a dispute arose between the two partners, settled only by Brown being paid off. Whitbread wrote that he had &#8220;never been a very pleasant partner to me&#8221; and that the difference without him was incalculable&#8221;.<sup>9</sup></p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading has-large-font-size">Brown&#8217;s Association with Home Tooke.&nbsp;</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">A happier relationship was that between Brown and another campaigner for radical change, John Home Tooke. Originally a priest, Home Tooke remained a champion of the Church of England throughout his life and had many esteemed, respectable friends. We owe to him the first steps to secure for the public the right of making available an account of parliamentary debates. As such he may be seen as an unlikely revolutionary. Yet he was imprisoned in 1777 for having solicited subscriptions for the relief of relatives of Americans &#8220;murdered by the King&#8217;s troops at Lexington and Concord&#8221;, and in 1769 was prominent in setting up a society to support a Bill of Rights, which he saw as a vehicle to campaign for a radical programme of parliamentary reform. But it was his involvement in The Society for Constitutional Information that most profoundly brought him into conflict with the government. The society, without doubt, enthusiastically supported much of the thinking that had promoted the French Revolution. On 14 July 1790, on the occasion of a first anniversary dinner, a resolution was passed rejoicing in the establishment and confirmation of liberty in France. But even here Home Tooke may be seen as a moderating influence, for he introduced a separate resolution to the effect that to achieve this English people had only &#8220;to maintain and improve the Constitution which their forefathers had transmitted to them.<sup>10</sup> Nevertheless, he was one of three radical freethinkers arrested and tried for high treason in 1794. Pitt&#8217;s government, dreading an uprising similar to that in France, brought a huge weight of evidence against the defendants, determined to eradicate the radical movement. It was alleged that Home Tooke and his co-defendants had organised meetings seeking to encourage people to disobey the king and parliament. Prominent in the persecution&#8217;s massive case was Home Tooke&#8217;s support for Thomas Paine&#8217;s hugely successful Rights of Man. This had already been the pretext for a successful prosecution for seditious libel, obtained in Paine&#8217;s absence, the defendant having hurriedly and wisely fled to France. But in treason trials the public mood was against the establishment. To general rejoicing, after a trial that lasted for six anxious days, all three defendants were acquitted in eight minutes.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">However, Home Tooke had indeed been sympathetic to Paine&#8217;s ideas. During his time in London, Pain<sup>11</sup> was a frequent guest at Wimbledon Common, where Home Tooke&#8217;s famous Sunday dinners attracted many like-minded friends and associates.<sup>12</sup> They included some of the most distinguished men (and I do mean men) of letters, scientists and intellectuals of the day, some of them of a decidedly radical and reformist disposition, including Lord Erskine, Sir Francis Burdett, Gilbert Wakefield and Sir James MacKintosh.<sup>13</sup> One of the most regular visitors was Timothy Brown, who &#8220;frequently rode over on a Sunday from his house at East Peckham, near Camberwell, on purpose to dine at Wimbledon&#8230; Tooke must have entertained a high opinion of the character and integrity of Mr. Brown as the latter was his banker for many years&#8221;.<sup>14</sup>&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Home died on 18 March 1812 and the following few years it fell to Timothy Brown to continue the tradition of meetings, housing and encouraging radical discussion at his Peckham home. I noticed how Cobbett came to join him there and have suggested a possible explanation for his stay at Peckham. lain McCalman offers an alternative or perhaps additional scenario. He points out that Brown was fascinated with religion and philosophy as well as political radicalism. And that in addition to stimulating debate he had an important role in financing the publication of freethinking publications. One of these was particularly controversial. Early in 1813 Brown learned that a near-destitute Scottish journalist, George Houston, was seeking to secure the publication of a new English edition of Baron d&#8217;Holbach&#8217;s Ecce Homo!, to be published as A Critical Inquiry into the History of Jesus of Nazareth, being a rational analysis of the Gospels. The title is perhaps misleading. The baron was perhaps the first modem theorist of atheism and one of the most radical philosophers of the Enlightenment. Ecco Homo first appeared, in French and anonymously, in 1770.<sup>15</sup> In a modern edition, Andrew Hunwick explains that d&#8217;Holbach regarded all religion as an illusion, based on fear and ignorance. In place of religious morality, which he rejected as socially harmful, he appealed for the establishment of a natural system of ethics, based on the needs of individuals as social beings, arguing that nature urges humanity to seek out its own happiness. The author&#8217;s close friend Denig Diderot observed that the text, which sought to demythologise the scriptures, was &#8220;raining bombs within the House of the Lord&#8221;, Jesus being presented as a normal human being, born normally. Hunwick sums up the contents as &#8220;a vehement attack on the Bible, Christian dogma and morality, and all aspects of Christian institutions&#8221;.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">When he heard of Houston&#8217;s initiative, Brown was, writes McCalman, &#8220;rapturous&#8221;. He tells us that &#8220;Brown threw the full weight of his wealth and influence behind its publication&#8221; and &#8220;encouraged and entertained Houston ceaselessly &#8211; even at &#8216;his parties for pleasure&#8221;, He subsidised the printing and publishing of the work, read and commented on the proofs and worked hard to promote its circulation. Then, in September 1813, a sceptical article in the Political Register, written by another freethinking publisher, George Cannon, inspired Brown to approach William Cobbett to give similar publicity to Ecco Homo. Despite some reservations, Cobbett, who was in favour of free expression, agreed, and he, Brown and other members of the Peckham circle, under various pseudonyms, co-operated in writing letters to the Register and the short-lived Theological Inquirer exploring and defending the arguments in Ecce Homo. It was hazardous territory. The radical publisher Daniel Isaac Eaton had been charged as publisher of d&#8217;Holbach&#8217;s book in November 1813, the prosecution only being dropped when Eaton revealed Houston as the translator.<sup>16</sup> In November Houston was prosecuted and found guilty of blasphemous libel and sentenced to two years imprisonment and a fine of 200 pounds.<sup>17</sup> Although Cobbett went on to include further articles by Cannon in the Register,<sup>18</sup> both he and Brown knew the game was up. To make matters worse, Houston having served sixteen months in Newgate, provided the authorities with information about Cobbett&#8217;s and Brown&#8217;s involvement in the publication of Ecce Homo.<sup>19</sup>&nbsp;</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading has-large-font-size">Last years</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Brown remained supportive of Cobbett, but by 1820 his friend&#8217;s debts were dearly out of control. Spater tells us that Brown, himself &#8220;a friendly creditor, urged Cobbett to seek refuge in bankruptcy, and undertook the necessary procedures at his own expense. Typically, from a small house at 15 Lambeth Road where he was permitted to live, Cobbett used the period of his bankruptcy to brilliant effect, campaigning on behalf of the reviled Caroline of Brunswick to claim her place as queen to George IV. He was released from bankruptcy in November 1820, the burden of his debts lifted and his energy unimpaired. Timothy Brown was less fortunate, he died of a stroke on 4 September 1820.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Two Hundred years ago, dissent, including religious dissent, was a dangerous business. Darwin had yet to make his epic voyage on HMS Beagle, and his Origin of Species, with its cool scientific approach, had yet to make its revolutionary mark. Even today there will be many readers who find radical views, or some of them, unacceptable. But I ask them to reflect that these advocates of change began the struggle for human rights, the freedom of speech, for the Enlightenment, for the inclusive franchise, for universal education and for our parliamentary democracy (such as it is). Much that was once considered radical is now orthodox. In my view, nothing more important came out of Peckham.</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading has-large-font-size">Endnotes</h2>



<ol class="wp-block-list">
<li>lain McCalman. Radical Underworld. Cambridge University Press, 1988. </li>



<li>George Spater. William Cobbett: The Poor Man&#8217;s Friend. Oxford University Press, 1984. </li>



<li>Daniel Green. Great Cobbell, The Noblest Agitator. London, Hodder &amp; Stoughton, 1983. </li>



<li>More than 1,000 according to Cobbett. </li>



<li>William Harnett Blanche. Ye Parish of Camberwell (1875). </li>



<li>I recall that as an Excise Officer I made several visits to the Chiswell Street premises and was eventually sent to check the last brew and finalise the firm&#8217;s involvement with the Revenue. The Shire horses and the brewery oozed prosperity. The fermenting room boasted an enormous unsupported roof, second only to that of Westminster Hall. </li>



<li>A contemporary, Sir Samuel Romilly, described him as the &#8220;promoter of every liberal scheme for improving the condition of mankind, the zealous advocate of the oppressed, and undaunted opposer of every species of corruption and ill-administration&#8221;. He is said to have spoken in the House more often than any other member. </li>



<li>Roger Fulford. Samuel Whitbread, 1764-1815, A Study in Opposition. London, Macmillan, 1967. </li>



<li>ibid. </li>



<li>Alexander Stephens. Memoirs of John Home Tooke. London, J. Johnson &amp; Co., 1813. </li>



<li>A former Excise Officer. </li>



<li>William Hamilton Reid. Memoirs of the Public Life of John Home Took. London, 1812. </li>



<li>See Alexander Stephens. Memoirs of John Home Tooke (1813). </li>



<li>ibid. </li>



<li>It is now available in a critical edition and revision of George Houston&#8217;s translation, edited by Andrew Hun wick (Berlin-New York, Walter de Gruyter, 1995). </li>



<li>Daniel McCue Jr. Oxford Dictionary of National Biography. It has also been said that his age was a factor. He died in 1814, impoverished and exhausted. </li>



<li>The radical publisher, Daniel Isaac Eaton, had also been previously charged &#8211; not far the first time. </li>



<li>As Rev. Erasmus Perkins. </li>



<li>Spater says the files of the Privy Council indicate that Houston sought employment as a government informer.</li>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">By Penny Young&nbsp;</p>



<figure class="wp-block-image aligncenter size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="1024" height="919" src="https://thomaspaine.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/12/Cobbett-at-Coventry-1024x919.jpg" alt="“Cobbett at Coventry” a 1820 engraving by an unknown artist shows William Cobbett with Paine’s bones in a coffin on his back in the top left corner – American Philosophical Society" class="wp-image-9281" srcset="https://thomaspaine.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/12/Cobbett-at-Coventry-1024x919.jpg 1024w, https://thomaspaine.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/12/Cobbett-at-Coventry-300x269.jpg 300w, https://thomaspaine.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/12/Cobbett-at-Coventry-768x689.jpg 768w, https://thomaspaine.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/12/Cobbett-at-Coventry.jpg 1084w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px" /><figcaption class="wp-element-caption">“Cobbett at Coventry” a 1820 engraving by an unknown artist shows William Cobbett with Paine’s bones in a coffin on his back in the top left corner – American Philosophical Society</figcaption></figure>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">A summary of the 2010 Eric Paine Memorial Lecture</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Two giants dominated English popular radical politics a couple of centuries ago. The two men were William Cobbett (1763-1835) and Henry Hunt (1773-1835). They fought for justice, human rights and a reformed, democratic House of Commons and went to prison because of their beliefs. Both men came from southern England, shared interests in politics and farming and both became fiercely independent MPs for northern constituencies. Hunt was a member of parliament for Preston during the passage of the Reform Bill of 1832, while Cobbett sat in the first reformed House of Commons as a member for Oldham.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The life of William Cobbett is well documented. Raised at the plough in Farnham in Surrey, he became the greatest radical political writer of the early nineteenth century, the man the essayist William Hazlitt called &#8216;a kind of fourth estate in the politics of the country.&#8217; Cobbett&#8217;s Political Register was published weekly from 1802 until his death in 1835 and was read by everybody from presidents, kings and emperors to poets, soldiers and farm labourers. The establishment press or the &#8216;reptiles&#8217;, as he called them, loathed him. Governments plotted to suppress him and all his works that challenged them at every twist and turn. When Cobbett spoke out against the flogging of soldiers in Ely under the guard of German mercenaries, he was charged with seditious libel, found guilty and jailed in Newgate Prison for two years from 1810 to 1812. Many biographies have been written about William Cobbett and he is celebrated today.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">By contrast, the name of Henry Hunt remains relatively unknown, although he was the greatest political speaker of his times. Derisively dubbed &#8216;Orator&#8217; Hunt by his enemies and, like Cobbett, vilified and demonised by the establishment, Hunt was the darling of the people. When he spoke at mass public meetings, he attracted huge crowds. He was the first member of parliament to win a seat (for Preston in 1830) on a ticket of one man one vote. Hunt was the star speaker at the great reform meetings of Spa Fields in London in 1816/1817 and what went down in history as the Peterloo Massacre on St Peter&#8217;s Field in Manchester on 16 August 1819. The meeting had been called to support a reform of parliament and the abolition of the Corn Laws. Five minutes after it began, it was brought to an abrupt stop when the Manchester and Salford Yeomanry slashed their way into the crowds to arrest Hunt and the men standing with him on the platform. In his book, The Casualties of Peterloo, Michael Bush estimated that the action by the yeomanry, which was backed up by the 15th Hussars, resulted in the deaths of at least eighteen people, while the number of those injured exceeded seven hundred. The perpetrators were never brought to justice and it was Hunt and his co-defendants who were jailed. Hunt was given the longest sentence in the worst jail. He spent two and a half years incarcerated in a dank cell in Ilchester Prison in Somerset where he wrote his Memoirs.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">There have been only two biographies of Henry Hunt. Robert Huish published one the year after Hunt&#8217;s death. The second was written by John Beichem. He launched his academic career with his outstanding, political biography of Hunt, which was published in 1985. Belchem&#8217;s book dispelled the myth of the violent, argumentative, vain demagogue, the man who wilfully opposed the so-called Great Reform Act of 1832. This was the image of Hunt that has been copied and repeated by historians and essayists through the ages. Beichem portrayed a very different Henry Hunt, the Wiltshire farmer who became a democratic radical, established a mass platform for parliamentary reform and who, alone in the House of Commons argued, quite correctly, that the planned reform bill was a cheat and a sham. Sadly, John Belchem&#8217;s biography is out of print.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">What nobody has written about in any depth before is the unlikely but very real political partnership and close friendship between William Cobbett and Henry Hunt. Their relationship lasted in one way or another for thirty years until the deaths of both men in 1835 just four months apart. Nobody has charted its course from close friendship to deadly enmity with the various peaks and troughs in between. Quite simply, nobody was looking out for the story.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">It was Hunt who began it. He became a fan of Cobbett as soon as the latter returned in 1800 from his first period of exile in the newly independent America. There, Cobbett had become the most well-known and controversial of writers and he set out to repeat the act in England. When he launched his weekly Political Register in 1802, Hunt became a loyal reader. He described in his Memoirs how he longed to become acquainted with this most celebrated writer of the day. In typical Hunt style, he took the bull by the horns and went up to London to call on Cobbett. His visit took place in 1805. It was not a particularly productive meeting. Both men took a dislike to each other. Hunt described it in detail in his Memoirs:&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">As I walked up Parliament Street, I mused upon the sort of being I had just left, and I own that my calculations did not in the slightest degree lead me to suppose that we should ever be upon such friendly terms, and indeed upon such an intimate footing, as we actually were for a number of years afterwards. It appeared to me that at our first meeting we were mutually disgusted with each other; and I left his house with a determination in my own mind never to see a second interview with him.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Hunt was indeed quite right in his assessment of Cobbett&#8217;s reaction. Cobbett was suspicious of Hunt and thought he was a bad character. He especially took exception to the fact that Hunt had left his own wife and was living with the wife of another man. In 1808, Cobbett wrote a private letter to his publisher, John Wright, warning him not to associate with Hunt:&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">There is one BEI, the Bristol man. Beware of him! He rides about the country with a whore, the wife of another man, having deserted his own. A sad fellow! Nothing to do with him.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Much to Cobbett&#8217;s fury, this letter was used against Hunt in the Westminster election of 1818 when Cobbett was in self-imposed exile in America.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Despite the initial mutual mistrust, however, Hunt persevered at forging a relationship and, despite his letter to Wright of 1808, Cobbett responded. The two men joined forces at political county meetings, taking great delight in bashing the system and baiting both the Whigs and the Tories, the Ins and the Outs, as they called them. Against all the odds, Cobbett the conservative radical, wily, experienced and fiercely independent, became the closest of friends with Hunt the democratic radical, ten years younger and totally new to the game. He addressed Hunt in his private letters as &#8216;my dear Hunt&#8217;. It was the highest compliment Cobbett could pay.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">It is difficult to understand how it all happened. Cobbett was a busy and famous man. Hunt was a minor dabbler in county politics. What was the attraction? Cobbett possibly answered that question himself in his writings from exile in America the second time round between 1817-1819 when he explained why he liked Englishmen best.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The loud voice, the hard squeeze by the hand, the instant assent or dissent, the clamorous joy, the bitter wailing, the ardent friendship, the deadly enmity All these belong to the characters of Englishmen, in whose minds and hearts every feeling exists in the extreme.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Cobbett could have been describing himself. He was also consciously or unconsciously describing Henry Hunt. In many ways, despite the difference in age and temperament, the men were very similar, passionate and extreme in everything they did and the way they lived their lives. They also enjoyed a similar sense of humour.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">It is a puzzle why the depths of their collaboration and friendship have never been explored before. The clues for it are all there. They can be found in Hunt&#8217;s Memoirs and Addresses and scattered through the numerous volumes of Cobbett&#8217;s Political Registers. The material is available, although it tends to be tucked away in dusty boxes, on scratched microfilm or hidden on obscure shelves in places like the British Library, the Library of Nuffield College, Oxford, universities in the USA and county record offices. The relationship can also be traced in contemporary comments, caricatures, lampoons, squibs and poetry as well as in diaries and letters, including those mainly from Cobbett to Hunt. Only two letters from Hunt to Cobbett survived. I believe they are the last two letters Hunt wrote to his old friend and political partner. They are doubly important because they reveal why Hunt severed relations with Cobbett. As far as I know, the two letters have never been made public before. When the two men finally fell out just before the Reform Act of 1832, the radical press sighed in oblique references and subtle hints that if only the pair could make it up, radical politics would be stronger for it. United we stand, divided we fall. Like all good stories, the story of Cobbett and Hunt is of contemporary significance.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">When the pair did terminally fall out, it was like a nuclear explosion. After all the wonderful things Cobbett did with and wrote about Hunt, it is hard to read the tearing biting insults he repeatedly hurled against him. Hunt was the GREAT LIAR, the great impudent and ignorant oaf, a shuffling hulk and a carcase which only deserved to be whipped and beaten. After Cobbett wrote about Hunt&#8217;s &#8216;hackerings, the stammerings, the bogglings, the blunderings and the cowerings down&#8217; of the &#8216;Preston cock&#8217; in the Political Register of 12 February 1831, Hunt hit back in a public Address to Cobbett on &#8216;the Kensington Dunghill&#8217;. It was written in extreme bitterness:&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">This backbiter of every man that ever was acquainted with him, the calumniator of every one who ever rendered him a service has thought proper to put forth his impotent venom and to level his cowardly and malevolent attack upon me in an address to you, the People of Preston, in his last lying Register, I feel it a duty &#8230; to state the reasons that have caused the wretched creature thus to assail me.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Hunt went on to do so in ghastly detail.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">This was a relationship that was conducted in the full glare of the public. The late Georgian and Regency public feasted on what the one wrote about the other. It was all there in black and white for everybody to read. There was Cobbett&#8217;s wife, Nancy, with her violent hatred of Hunt and her fury at her Billy&#8217;s friendship with that bad man. There was also Hunt&#8217;s long-time mistress, his beloved, beautiful Mrs Vince, illegitimate granddaughter of a baronet and part of the reason for Nancy Cobbett&#8217;s hatred. The press used Mrs Vince as a stick with which to beat Hunt. Legitimate tactics or press intrusion into private life? Cobbett stoutly defended Hunt, adding to his wife&#8217;s fury. Yet, everybody was able to read what Cobbett thought of men who dumped their wives and women who slept outside the marriage bed when he later published his Advice to Young Men. He was particularly severe about the women: &#8216;Here is a total want of delicacy; here is, in fact, prostitution,&#8221; he wrote.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Nancy&#8217;s attempted suicide — provoked by the renewal of her husband&#8217;s collaboration with Hunt — and the separation of Cobbett from his family were also common knowledge, as was the unfounded accusation made by Nancy that her husband had a homosexual relationship with his secretary. Cobbett&#8217;s biographers have largely avoided these matters, maybe out of a desire to protect his reputation or because they found them of no significance or because they believed the incidents were part of Cobbett&#8217;s private life and off limits. (Both George Spater and Richard Ingrams touched on the subjects.) Yet all these events sprang out of the relationship between William Cobbett and Henry Hunt and are of relevance in understanding what happened. None of it diminishes either of the men. We stand on the sidelines and admire them even more, for the men they were, for their integrity and determination to do what they believed in, and for their achievements.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">These two men inspired generations. Two weeks after Cobbett&#8217;s funeral on Saturday, 27 June 1835 in Famham, the town of his birth, the deaths of both men were mourned and commemorated in a letter published in the Poor Man&#8217;s Guardian, one of the radical penny press newspapers. The letter positively remembered the two men in the heyday of their political struggle. It was a tribute from those who would help to carry the torch of reform into the future. The letter was written by the Bradford radical, Peter Bussey, one of the future leaders of the Chartist movement. It was very singular, he wrote, that within the space of a few months, they should lose two of the most staunch Reformers this country ever produced — Henry Hunt, the consistent and uncompromising advocate of equal rights, and the Member for Oldham.&#8217; The pair had stood the test for years, braving &#8216;the storm of Whig and Tory vengeance.&#8217; They fought and conquered the &#8216;demon-like power&#8217; of Castlereagh, which had oppressed the country. &#8216;The base minions in power trembled beneath their castigations&#8217;, and the people were awoken from their slumbers. Cobbett and Hunt raised their &#8216;gigantic powers,&#8217; and governments turned pale.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Two Cocks on the Dunghill is an account of the personal and political relationship between two great men at a crucial time in history. It is set against the backdrop of the aftermath of the French revolution, the wars with France and the fear of a Jacobin- style revolution in England and the demands for a reformed House of Commons. The issues, arguments and emotions resonate today. The questions raised are ever relevant. How should a government fight against a perceived foreign and home threat of &#8216;Terror&#8217;? When, if ever, should human rights be suspended? What role does the press play? How much integrity can there be in politics and at what cost? Two Cocks on the Dunghill is a story about corruption and greed, compassion and morality, of love, hate, jealousy and scandal and how human beings deal with them. It is also about the courage of individuals against an oppressive state and the triumph of will power and determination in adversity. On one thing I am resolved, namely that, unless snatched away very suddenly, I will not die the MUZZLED SLAVE OF THIS THING!&#8217; wrote William Cobbett in the Political Register. He did not, and nor did Henry Hunt.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Two Cocks on the Dunghill &#8211; William Cobbett and Henry Hunt: their friendship, feuds and fights is written by Penny Young and published by Twopenny Press. Copies may be purchased either from a bookseller for £20.00, or direct from the author at: 2, The Old School, South Lopham, Norfolk, IP22 2HT for £15.00, postage and packing included. Please make cheques payable to the Two Penny Press.</em></p>
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